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Interview With NSA Defacer
10/28/99
Mike Hudack
Editor-in-Chief
There have been two firsts in the world of Web site defacements in the last two days. First Flipz defaced defaced a Microsoft server for the first time in history. This flooded the Attrition Mirror with traffic -- more than nine gigs of it. Now someone who calls himself Fuqrag has defaced a National Security Agency Web site.
The site defaced by Fuqrag, the Defense Information School, was left largely intact on the face. A splash page asking users to click through was left identical to the original version -- but the page people clicked through to contained the following message:
fuqrag 0wnz the DoD!! hello to: hst, vghk, dayzee, zi, flipz, f0bic, microwire, and oclet .. this site was edited by fuqrag .. hakked for cristyn!!!
The National Security Agency is responsible for cryptological security for the United States government and is usually responsible for computer security tasks as well. Yesterday there was speculation that an NSA site was defaced but it turned out to belong to the Navy. Today an NSA server was actually defaced.
OSAll spoke with fuqrag, who agreed to a phone interview on the condition that recordings wouldnīt be kept.
Why Deface?
Fuqrag has, like flipz, gone on something of a defacement rampage in the last few days. Government, military and more servers have fallen to him -- and all after flipz gave him an exploit to use.
"Normally Iīd stay away from [defacement] -- I havenīt defaced anything for like two years," he told me. His girlfriend, Cristyn, had just broken up with him, and thatīs why he started the defacements, he said.
"At this point... itīs like what the hell. If Armageddon came tomorrow, thatīd be a good thing," he said. "I used to think defacing servers was lame, but now I think itīs fun," he treats it as a way to strike out at a world thatīs closing in on him.
"Iīve got three pscyhologists whoīll tell you Iīm insane..." he said as he explained why he wouldnīt be spending much time in prison. "I think Iīll probably get raided though -- but no matter what, I wonīt be spending much time in prison."
Targeting the Government
According to fuqrag, "I didnīt know it was NSA... But thatīs pretty damn cool." He was simply going for "anything with .gov or .mil in the URL," he explained.
"I don't hate our country I hate the government. They're always trying to control everything... the greatest freedom we've ever had is the internet and they try to control it," he explained. He has a particular dislike for the Navy because "[his father] was twenty-three years naval intelligence and they really fucked him up."
Brushes With the Law
Fuqrag has been raided at least once previously for "carding and cell cloning." He was brought to a local FBI field office and interviewed for almost an entire day, at which point he says he was offered a job. "I thought about it for a day or two and told them no."
"I was actually really lucky... I had like two million pairs [cell phone cloning information] on zip disks, along with some cells sitting in a drawer." The FBI agents didnīt open the drawer, however, leaving them with no evidence against Fuqrag.
Member of gH
Fuqrag is also a member of global Hell, a rather famous group who have defaced numerous sites, including the White House Web site. He says heīs "the oldest member of gH, and probably the oldest member theyīll ever have," at 30.
gH is, of course, famous for the White House defacement and the numerous FBI raids that followed.
More to Follow
Flipz, Fuqrag and several others have a "custom exploit flipz wrote" that theyīve been using against the Windows NT boxes. If either one of them gets raided there are plans to post the exploit on the Net "with a message telling every [script] kiddie to start using it."
In addition they claim to already have administrator (root on *nix boxes) access to many high profile sites, including Barnes & Noble and Comp USA. Fuqrag also says heīs working on defacing MTV.com.
In addition, they say theyīre going to start sending a message with their defacements. "We havenīt really said anything," fuqrag explained, "weīre going to start talking."
Rush Article
This is an article put together in the hour after an interview. The time is two oīclock AM and itīs rather difficult to write at this hour. Just like the interview with flipz, more content will be forthcoming.
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